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The question I have is this: Per AMS2431/2 paragraph 3.9.1 when testing shot the machine should rotate and tap for 5 minutes for sieves 30 mesh and coarser and for 10 minutes for sieves finer than 30 mesh. The sieves for 70 and 110 are all finer than 30 mesh, 3 of the sieves for 170 are finer than 30 mesh, and 1 sieve for 230 is finer than 30 mesh. How much time should be used when checking 170 and 230 shot?

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Answer is surely 10 minutes for both 170 and 230 shot. Longer times are needed to sieve the finer particle fractions of any shot mix through the finest sieves. The finer the particle the smaller is its mass/area ratio. Using a sieving time of 5 minutes would mean that the finest fractions were separated less effectively than if 10 minutes were used.

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This is a very good example why we should all be calculating the "End Point of Sieving". Let me first say that the more elongated a material is or the flakier a material is the more important it is to determine the end point of sieving because these shapes present problems in the mechanical sieving process. In general, when a specification gives a time to run the sieve analysis (i.e. 5 min, 10 min. etc.) this is based on the assumption that no more material will be transfered from one sieve in the stack to the next, however, this can be a bad assumption. In order to find out how long we should be sieving for a given sieve stack we should perform the following procedure:

- Start with the minimum shaking time provided in the specification being used and perform the analysis
- At the end of the minimum shaking time, remove each sieve from the stack and weigh it with the content of the sieve. Record this amount.
- Place the stack of sieves back in the shaker and shake for one (1) aditional minute.
- Remove the sieve stack and weigh each of the sieves with its content. Record this amount.
- If you see a change of .1 gram between the first recorded weight and this one on any given sieve in the stack we have not reached the end point of sieving and should repeat the above steps until we see a change of less than .1 gram between sieves.

Once we have performed this procedure we will know precisely how long we should be shaking for each applicable sieve stack and media type. One should keep in mind that the time set in the specification may be to short of a time or to long of a time.

In conclusion one predetermined shaking time does not fit all appliations. In order to get the most accurate and repeatable sieve analysis you shoud find out what "your" end point of sieving is.


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AMS 2431/1 and 2431/2 specifications both deal with cast steel shot media, which is round in shape and should be very easy to screen using the describe test method included in the two specifications. As manufactures of cast steel shot we have determined that sizes 280 and finer, down to 070 should be Ro-taped for 10 minutes and sizes 330 and larger 5 minutes.

This critria is based on test methods described in the ASTM STP 447M which has been replaced with MNL 32 and current use at Ervin Laboratorys using eight inches stainless steel test sieves. I would recommand the purchase of this Manual on Test Sieve Methods for anyone involved with sieveing materials.

Dennis Scharer
Techenical Services Manager
Ervin Industries


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